www.nightvisionforumuk.com

EDIT: Ah - word power that I don't have, never mind. I'm really sorry George.

As there are so many variables of what can be upgraded depending on what the member already has or wants, and what they want it for, short of listing how many of each component I have available now or due to arrive and its price and customised power level, I can't think of how else to list the options without doing them as individual posts which would be very unfair and just spam up the section which I wont do.

I can't think of how to best re-word it just now, so It might be best to just use the options in my signature instead of a sales thread/post.


Many a shooter has bought a P60/501B torch of some kind in the past before consigning it to a cupboard because it wasn't up to shooting roles in its standard reflector and flat lens form and would rather upgrade it than buy a replacement if the parts are known about and available. I'm a fan of that torch because of its compact size and versatility in that different colour drop in modules can be dropped in it in seconds on a cold dark night. I find that it does all I need it to within air rifle and practical rimfire ranges.

Another of its blessings for many of us is that it is a simple point and shoot torch rather than one that gets to be messed about with sometimes. I also like point and shoot rifle-scopes with no focus or PX to faff about with getting it just so before I take a shot. I also like sensible shoes but that's another story.

Nobody in the UK makes or supplies upgrade components for this torch and after sourcing upgrades from around the world I decided to buy a lathe and make some upgrades for it myself, specifically designed for the lamping and night vision shooting community.

Over the past few weeks I have sold more than anticipated across the forums and a not surprising common theme has been that many night shooters undertake their NV shooting in a similar way that I mostly use NV. That is using the pocket size 501b visible red LED hand held torch for spotting suitable eyeshine, then turn on the NV to get within range, correctly I/D it then shoot it.

A typical sale has often took several PM's initially asking what is ideal for their "night vision" - without specifying their particular application/gun/quarry etc. Then we get to the what have you got bit in another PM, then how much in another then, 'when' - then 'how' yada yada recurring.

So I'm putting this order form up here to make life simpler for both me and the buyer in a similar sort of way that is seen in sales threads on the CandlePowerForum etc if that is OK with the forum owners. I can also just post links to vids and photos once here rather than several times via PM.

I'm now out of torch hosts and some components such as drivers, brass pills etc which are due to arrive in about 10 days so am taking advance orders. There will be Hi/Med/Low power memory modes and fixed modes available in Infra red and visible red formats.

If paying via PayPal there will be no need to use the PM system if you put your forum name and addy in the comments section when paying. You can advance order to get in the queue and delay payment till I advise your order is ready if you wish.


While most on here will know many of the aspects of different types of rig, newcomers to NV might benefit from quite basic points to note.

As dedicated digital rigs like the new Photon or the N550 don't have to throw extra light out front to compensate for light losses in passing the many lenses and small exit pupil of a day scope, we don't need to throw as much light towards the quarry: So I can make them less powerful and more covert than illuminators used for rear mounted add-on rigs. The 1 watt eBay IR pill can be used with the standard reflector just blacked out and a 28mm aspheric lens from Deal eXtreme for the Photon if you have one - or I can supply the 1 watt in a brass pill - or an even more covert .7 watt IR LED and driver in a brass pill.

The Ahorton lens sits closer to the LED than the Deal eXtreme lens and grabs more of the light cone being emitted - so it's more powerful if you decide you want it.

EDIT:
I'm a bit forgetful in my old age - so please post on here what you want and it will remain available for me to check rather than possibly lose track of PMs. I will also frequently modify this post as I get to grips with things and make more options available.

Please indicate the the type of NV you want illumination for, and/or if you want visible red LED, and calibre/range potential to simplify things at the outset, what is currently in your existing 501b torch if you have one and what you would like to be able to drop into it, and if you want a host body as well as the upgrades, and if you want Hi/Med/Low power memory modes or single power, or a brass pill with a spacer or the one piece module.

Reserved.

Think it would be more appropriate to do this via pm or email, Dave.

Same as you've suggested, but cut and paste the order form into the private message or to your email address (including their username).

We really don't mind you fellas selling a bit of gear and advertising the fact in your signatures. It's at a good, level playing field at the moment and we don't want to spoil it.


Admin.

Without contradicting you, doesn't that make it a tilted playing field though George?

I'd like to point out the fact that I have avoided posting a torch sales thread here until now but another torch builder seems to have been allowed to do it?

I'm open to discussion along the lines of something that was briefly mentioned with regard to the test blocks.

As I've said, there is no problem with you hobby builders having pics, prices, options and how to order in your signatures, which is what a few of you have now. Not sure any other forum would stand for that.

Another torch builder hasn't been 'allowed' as you put it. He's put up a sales post, just as you have. We've never requested that you don't. You haven't, simply because you haven't, not because we've said you can't

We're also happy for your sales post to stand. It's a bit much to start putting order forms on the forum though. If you can't see that, Dave, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Everyone is okay to post for free in the sales section.

If we were like other forums, Dave, we'd have curtailed the free advertising by now, but we thought that we were doing the right thing by letting it run. Please don't take advantage of that fact.

What we don't want to happen is to get to a point where, like another forum that you're a member of, we only allow the sale of used goods. "NO NEW ITEMS" as it's put over there.

Admin.

You are quite right George - and I apologise for not taking Admin tolerance and generosity into account before I made the post.

I had contemplated raising the subject with you some time ago when the test blocks were being discussed but life in general got in the way, and I weren't making so many options at that time. When I spotted another post with more than one item, I tried to find a way to word ordering the variables but failed. I thought that since there was no comment about a multi item post, it would probably be OK to post a multi option one and see how it goes.

I don't profess to understand how private message traffic affects things but I thought lots of PM's probably bogs things up more than a simple single message that contains everything the buyer and seller needs on one page. I know it sounds crazy but if you count up the messages in my in and out boxes to and from just one member to clarify things, there are 29 pieces of traffic with the same title header that relate to a single illuminator purchase that need to stay in place till I complete the order.

I'm not complaining about that, just trying to help simplify or smooth things along a tad for all concerned in my own naive and clumsy way.


I shall edit the copy and paste options/order bit out and try to minimise some of the post too. I'll PM you soon about seeing if there is enough remuneration in my upgrades to see if a small monthly donation is feasible - or even wanted. I had thought of a banner in the test block area to put that to good use but cant see how it would work for so many variables and with no trade name. I don't think 'some bloke in a shed' would work.

Sorry too if it looked like I was trying to have a dig at anyone - I just didn't see much difference apart from multiple options that needed to be considered - and I have mentioned elsewhere in the forum recently how I liked his signature photo and the story it told.

No problem, Dave, and to make it clear, we're not looking for a contribution from any of you fellas.

Dave, why not compose an order form and save it into Photobucket with a link from here? Anyone wishing to order then clicks the link and downloads the order form. They fill in their requirements and send the order form to your email address, including, among other things, their username on the forum. You then contact them with a request for the amount of monies owed.

I suggest you start a new thread, which will be nice and clear, and then bump it to the top once a week, to keep you fresh in people's minds.

What do you think?

George

PESCA wrote:No problem, Dave, and to make it clear, we're not looking for a contribution from any of you fellas.

Dave, why not compose an order form and save it into Photobucket with a link from here? Anyone wishing to order then clicks the link and downloads the order form. They fill in their requirements and send the order form to your email address, including, among other things, their username on the forum. You then contact them with a request for the amount of monies owed.

I suggest you start a new thread, which will be nice and clear, and then bump it to the top once a week, to keep you fresh in people's minds.

What do you think?

George

Wow - that is such a brilliant idea I should have thought of it myself.

Will do - and I'll try to word the whole thing a bit better too.

Thinking that it might not be down-loadable and then sent, via Photobucket.

Just a link that opens a Word document order form might be best.

George