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At the risk of being controversial..................I hope it's very warm down there !


















Oooof, touch paper lit and away we go !

Hartshot wrote:At the risk of being controversial..................I hope it's very warm down there !

Oooof, touch paper lit and away we go !

I find it interesting you think it likely that (many) others will disagree with you..

I agree with you in that she didn't consider the broader social implications of her actions, she could have done a MUCH better job in looking after the people in those industrial areas that had become uncompetitive. But a country can only go on subsidizing loss making industries (coal etc) for so long, when there is no improvement in sight for them. At that time much of our industry had brought itself to the point of collapse through bad management and over unionization so that massive job losses were, to a large extent, inevitable.

As well as beating the Argies she stopped Arthur Scargill (et al) from turning the UK into a satellite state of the Soviet Union.

If she is down below, she'll soon have the place turned around and making a profit

Oh no!!!! Politics!!! No head hurts!!!!

Nowt like a nice debate, fellas. I'd love to join in but don't know enough about it. Obviously saw the consequences first-hand, as this was the one of the major centres for coal mining and ship building.

George

I'll dig the hole for free

Anyone whose enemies were General Galtieri and Arthur Scargill can't be all bad

Cheers

Bruce

Gren wrote:

Hartshot wrote:At the risk of being controversial..................I hope it's very warm down there !

Oooof, touch paper lit and away we go !

I find it interesting you think it likely that (many) others will disagree with you..

I agree with you in that she didn't consider the broader social implications of her actions, she could have done a MUCH better job in looking after the people in those industrial areas that had become uncompetitive. But a country can only go on subsidizing loss making industries (coal etc) for so long, when there is no improvement in sight for them. At that time much of our industry had brought itself to the point of collapse through bad management and over unionization so that massive job losses were, to a large extent, inevitable.

As well as beating the Argies she stopped Arthur Scargill (et al) from turning the UK into a satellite state of the Soviet Union.

If she is down below, she'll soon have the place turned around and making a profit

Let me start by saying that despite what may come across next, I am not an overtly political person. More often than not I could not give a monkeys nuts who is in power, to me they are now one and the same egomaniacal bunch of baying wolves, all out for their own gratification and in the process to line their deep greedy pockets - Miow !
This is my view of the Rusty old Gal, and why :

I was in my early-mid teens when her regime directly effected me, Dad was a South Wales coal miner. Now then, while I freely admit that industry in general needed a kick up the posterior, the way it was instigated and administered was purely class oriented. The middle class urbanites trying to dictate what the rest of the country should do and think.....sounds familiar to everybody with a firearm, doesn't it !
As a schoolboy I was in lined up to work on the Super Ted cartoon at S4C, or Buttyvision as I call it . because I could draw a bit. It was to be linked with a Uni course as a sort of apprenticeship, Dad went on strike at around the same time. Trouble was, the S4C thing was very poorly paid and the family needed the money. I had to go to work crazy hours at a bakery in order to earn enough cash to sustain the family, I had a fiver a week to spend on myself after giving the rest to Mam. Every day I would go out hunting rabbit, squirrel and pigeon to feed the family, while dad did odd jobs on the sly to get by.
So a year passed by, I'd had to leave school before taking my A levels and the S4C thing had been given to somebody else, I was still at the bakery and Dad went back to work. My golden chance had passed me by because my family took priority.
I never did go to Uni as a youth, only doing a course some years later after the kids had grown up a bit.
That year was hard, very hard. Do I resent the need to shake things up a bit in industry, NO.
Do I resent it affecting me personally to such a degree, YES.
I'm sure too that it had a greater effect on many more than me !
That's why I will not be wearing a black arm band next week.

H

Whether you loved her or loathed her you have to admit she had bigger bollocks than anybody that has come to power since , maybe they can send a piece of her backbone to each of the soppy twats that are systematically ruining this what was once a great country , can you imagine what the end result would be if the falkands kicked off again now i also think "human rights" laws , immigration and being dictated to by a bunch of overpaid unelected tossers in brussels may be different today had she still been in power

Hartshot wrote:
I was in my early-mid teens when her regime directly effected me, Dad was a South Wales coal miner. Now then, while I freely admit that industry in general needed a kick up the posterior, the way it was instigated and administered was purely class oriented. The middle class urbanites trying to dictate what the rest of the country should do and think.....sounds familiar to everybody with a firearm, doesn't it !
As a schoolboy I was in lined up to work on the Super Ted cartoon at S4C, or Buttyvision as I call it . because I could draw a bit. It was to be linked with a Uni course as a sort of apprenticeship, Dad went on strike at around the same time. Trouble was, the S4C thing was very poorly paid and the family needed the money. I had to go to work crazy hours at a bakery in order to earn enough cash to sustain the family, I had a fiver a week to spend on myself after giving the rest to Mam. Every day I would go out hunting rabbit, squirrel and pigeon to feed the family, while dad did odd jobs on the sly to get by.
So a year passed by, I'd had to leave school before taking my A levels and the S4C thing had been given to somebody else, I was still at the bakery and Dad went back to work. My golden chance had passed me by because my family took priority.
I never did go to Uni as a youth, only doing a course some years later after the kids had grown up a bit.
That year was hard, very hard. Do I resent the need to shake things up a bit in industry, NO.
Do I resent it affecting me personally to such a degree, YES.
I'm sure too that it had a greater effect on many more than me !

H

Sorry to hear of the hard time your family had. Things like this either help unite a family or create a divide. You did a commendable job of keeping the families finances ticking over and putting food via the field on the table. Shame that you did not get the further education that you wanted.
I wonder what path your life would have taken you had you been able to go yo Uni. Probably wouldn't here on the Forum chatting with us scruffs (ok I am talking about myself).

To me you stepped up to the plate when your family most needed you too. I tip my hat to you.

Ian

jdk1 wrote:can you imagine what the end result would be if the falkands kicked off again now

As soon as the new Pope came into power. I said to the Wife, you wait the Falklands will be the next issue all the Catholics off the world and the argentinians will want it given back. He was only in a day or two and the Argentinian prime minister was asking for his help to get the falklands back. Crazy aint the half of it. I aint religeous nor do I get involved in Politics. I deal with what comes to my door.

Ian

RIP Maggie, God bless you. If possible can you come back and possess Cameron



And before you start, I worked for British Rail and had mates working for Rover Longbridge. They all deserved what was coming to them, idle gits. You wouldn't believe what we got away with at BR, I actually left because of boredom and nothing to do, it took 5 years though Shame for the very few innocents that were involved but you always get casualties in any trouble.

Hartshot, I wasn't there at the pits but you can bet your bottom dollar quite a few brought it down. Your Dad may have been an innocent and you certainly were but common sense says if men work 8 hours and don't make a profit then something has to be done.
Why should Joe Bloggs work 8 hrs in a factory as a welder have to sponsor Fred Smith who works 8 hrs in a pit as a miner ? The rules are quite simple, make a profit or go.