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Absolutely nothing to do with nv. But WHY ?

Post by rodp » 15 Nov 2016, 18:32

What makes this man, of one non national parent, think he has the God given right to lecture folk born and bred in their country on the rights and wrongs of patriotism. He's questionably Christian (Muslim stepfather and father) in an actively Christian country and he's publicly condemning patriotism and national pride.

Unfortunately we have too many of the same over here, they come to OUR country then lecture us on xenophobia and national pride (Brexit and the MP's right to vote it out ?) . They tell us we should open our doors to all and sundry and give up our hard won lifestyle in order to support and welcome outsiders.

The question is gents, what makes them think we would possibly do that willingly and without a fight ?? Why do they think we'll accept it? :crazy:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37990316
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Post by phoenix » 15 Nov 2016, 21:09

What exactly did he say that so upset you?
OK, I haven't read or heard the whole speech, only looked at the report on the BBC website,
Apparently he warned against a rise in a crude sort of nationalism and said "we need to guard against tribalism built on an "us" and "them"
I would happily endorse those comments
There nothing wrong with patriotism - I'm a patriotic Scot, but FFS I'm not a nationalist
Nationalism is always bad because for nationionlism to succeed it has to have a bogeyman as the cause of all the nationalists problems
In the case of the Scottish nationalists, England is the cause of all the problems.
In the case of many people who voted for Trump, it's the blacks, Muslims and the Mexicans who are the problem
In the case of English nationalists, it's immigrants and EC citizens from Eastern Europe who are the problem
If you think the people who voted for Trump are nice, check this out http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37985967

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Post by chas » 15 Nov 2016, 21:56

I think that Rodders mention of "What he said" is just a prelude to his real gripe which is more related to this country, recent events and origins.
Tell me I'm wrong if you like Rod. :lol:
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Post by rodp » 15 Nov 2016, 22:50

Bit of both really, but I suppose it's these foreign origin wealthy lawyers telling us brexit can't be done, and will not be done that really rile me. It's OUR country, it belongs to the folk who voted for brexit.
Now you have a soon to be EX president of the USA telling voters what should and shouldn't be done when the new president takes over. Like or dislike Trumps followers they voted him in, and for a reason. We'll never know the true reasons, or the feelings behind the vote, as you'd have to live there to know that. Say what you will about Obama, he's not really what you would expect an all American citizen to be like as one parent was kenyan, he's believed to be Muslim (although now and then says Christian) and he's a pacifist at heart with a dislike of guns

Why can't these folk just accept what the majority want and leave it be. Why do they have to keep opening their gobs and shouting off that they know best and everyone who disagrees is a low life numpty who knows sod all. It's bad enough we have "celebrities" telling us what we should be doing, now we've got folk who were elected to serve doing it.

If the Americans want to vote in a President that's going to try and evict Mexicans and other immigrants shouldn't the rest of their Government be taking note of the way the tide's turning, not standing up and telling them they're very naughty boys for thinking it. It's what the majority want, just go with it and serve the population as they're paid to do.

Be very very interesting to see which way France and Germany vote shortly :think: Me thinks the world is changing, very rapidly. :think:
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Post by rodp » 15 Nov 2016, 22:58

phoenix wrote:What exactly did he say that so upset you?
OK, I haven't read or heard the whole speech, only looked at the report on the BBC website,
Apparently he warned against a rise in a crude sort of nationalism and said "we need to guard against tribalism built on an "us" and "them"
I would happily endorse those comments
There nothing wrong with patriotism - I'm a patriotic Scot, but FFS I'm not a nationalist
Nationalism is always bad because for nationionlism to succeed it has to have a bogeyman as the cause of all the nationalists problems
In the case of the Scottish nationalists, England is the cause of all the problems.
In the case of many people who voted for Trump, it's the blacks, Muslims and the Mexicans who are the problem
In the case of English nationalists, it's immigrants and EC citizens from Eastern Europe who are the problem
If you think the people who voted for Trump are nice, check this out http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37985967

Cheers

Bruce

There'll always be an "us" and "them" Bruce,that will never go. Although the English and Scottish governments don't really hit it off (understatement?) it doesn't affect the relationship of most English and Scottish people. But even there an us and them relationship exists, albeit just geographically.
It may diminish, and may shrink to a negligible effect or size, but it will always be there even between different counties. (NO, I'm not a bl**dy Brummy, I'm Black Country)
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Post by chas » 15 Nov 2016, 23:11

The first two lines are what I was thinking had prompted your post Rod.
As for the rest of your reply, I agree.
This not accepting the majority vote seems to be a new thing spurned by Brexit and change does seem to be in the air, Iceland have also been showing their discontent.
Interesting times with no predictable future, but times that should sent out a big wake up call to the establishment.
As for that Edwina Curry on the radio last week, what an out of touch and bitter twit she showed herself to be, egg salad diet for her.
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Post by phoenix » 16 Nov 2016, 07:18

" It's OUR country, it belongs to the folk who voted for brexit."

It absolutely does NOT belong to the folk who voted for Brexit - it belongs to ALL citizens of the UK, whether they voted for Brexit or not.

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Post by some bloke » 16 Nov 2016, 07:29

But this has got absolutely nothing to do with night vision: WHY? :D

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Post by jdk1 » 16 Nov 2016, 07:51

rodp wrote: Me thinks the world is changing, very rapidly. :think:
And about time too :thumbup:

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Post by jdk1 » 16 Nov 2016, 07:54

phoenix wrote:" It's OUR country, it belongs to the folk who voted for brexit."

It absolutely does NOT belong to the folk who voted for Brexit - it belongs to ALL citizens of the UK, whether they voted for Brexit or not.

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Bruce
Quite right bruce but those of us who voted for brexit are obviously in the majority so there should be no more prolonged discussions about this that and whatever , lets just get it done

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