Swear Words

[PESCA]

Could i put my point across that i feel this forum would be better of with some sort of Swear Wordfilter?

I've received a second warning for foul language that i added asterisks to, or little stars so you cannot read the full swear word as such Example > "B*LL END" for the not so brainy like myself.

Swearing is no major issue to me, but its been made clear the likes of children may be on this forum so i think a more upfront action should be taken regards Swearing, so simply filter them. ????

Saves my PM Space too.

There are two filters already in place- Geoff and me. We've probably had to edit half a dozen posts in total, in eleven months, in relation to swearing. So, not bad at all.

As I said to you, Rick, we're hopefully, all adults on the forum, but there is the chance that a member could have the forum up and running where it can be seen by wives or children.

I'm also quite sure that there are other words that could be put in a post instead of offensive words. We're all guilty of mild swearing on here, I'm pretty sure, but asterisks can't disguise the vulgarity of certain words.

The word you chose to use was a lot stronger than the example you've given. Let's keep strong swearing for when we're out with the lads, is all we ask.

George

[PESCA]

Either way i blanked out a letter. You still took offence, WORD FILTER! Job Done...

"asterisks can't disguise the vulgarity of certain words."

You seem to be missing the point, Rick.

We won't be installing a software-based word filter on the forum and yes, I/we did take offence at what you'd put. We can't be 100% in our monitoring, whether it be time constraints or simply the fact that we miss something, so it would make our lives simpler if you simply give some thought to what you put in your posts.

George

[PESCA]

Either way i blanked out a letter. You still took offence, WORD FILTER! Job Done...

"asterisks can't disguise the vulgarity of certain words."

You seem to be missing the point, Rick.

We won't be installing a software-based word filter on the forum and yes, I/we did take offence at what you'd put. We can't be 100% in our monitoring, whether it be time constraints or simply the fact that we miss something, so it would make our lives simpler if you simply give some thought to what you put in your posts.

George

I'm not missing no point. I put some thought into it when i placed a asterisk to which you still pull me up on. Its hardly vulgar, I'm sure even yourself could think of worse words.

Like i say, i blanked a letter out and thought nothing of it, i thought it was expectable. If your happy clearing up after me then fine, don't PM me moaning. You seem solid on the fact you wont be installing a filter, i actually thought it was a good idea.. At least this way you dont get to clean up words that you find offensive.

I'm pretty sure you dont have to install any program as you state. Check Admin CP,, or don't..

I'm afraid that you fellas seem to find this to be funny, whereas myself and Geoff don't.

The word you put is vulgar, Rick, and even more so on an open forum. In regard to pm'ing you moaning, I pm'd you to ask you to use common sense when posting. I've told you that it's not acceptable and that's the end of it I'm afraid. There's more than you on this forum and it won't be tolerated.

George

[some bloke]

My tuppenence worth on this is that, if I understand things correctly, this forums birth was at least partly as a result of heavy handed modding on another forum - with the threat of that forum being closed to all and the wealth of information within being lost.

I have used words on here that would have had asterisks in them on most other forums and my take is that kids, although unlikely to be in this room, would be curious enough to ask mum or dad to explain what that is. The result is that the word used had more attention from the child than it may have if the word was done and gone so to speak.

My problem with swear filters is that they are usually to anal - going much further into censorship than most of us want or need. I personally like the freedom to be sensible about what I write.

[PESCA]

Rick, please don't think, or give the impression to others, that you're being singled out, as that's not the case. You are, in fact, the third person who's been asked to curb their bad language. They took the request in the spirit it was meant. You decided to start a thread about it.

We have no intention of banning swearwords all together on this forum, and feel that a lot of leeway is provided already, in respect of swearing, by comparison to other forums. There are other forums which have swear filters in place and this can detract from the post considerably.

I'll reiterate when I say that we won't be installing a spam filter, as Geoff and I feel that we can monitor the swearing quite adequately. As I've already said, we can't monitor the forum 24/7 and as we're only human, some things will get past us.

At no point have I made "a false image of my good nature" as you put it. I simply said that there are other members on this forum besides yourself. I don't understand why, when you were pm'd by me in regard to the matter, that you decided to start a thread about it.

"Weres the laid back attitude this forum once had?" I still feel that this forum has a laid back attitude and would like to think that our members felt the same way.

"Maybe too many toffy's are aboard" Unsure as to what you mean by that as I thought the forum was simply people getting together for their interest in nightvision and I'm sure that our members aren't prudes who've led a sheltered life, but I think that there's a time and place for certain swearwords to be used and this forum isn't one of those places. All that we ask is that before posting, our members give some thought as to whether or not the content of the post could be offensive to other members.

You say that "as usual its a strait No"when an idea has been put forward. The forum has expanded and changed appearance only because members have made suggestions and some of them have been implemented, not all. It's an nv site and we've got Falconry and Bushcraft sections, because members said that they would like to see them. Members said they would like the DIY, General and Camcorder sections seperate and that's done now. That's just to mention a few.

We've been going maybe eleven months now. Membership is rising. The craic is good. There are some tremendous posts on here and lots and lots of helpful people. We think that the forum is friendly and informative. We don't want to get to the point where there's no swearing, full stop. Nor do we want to stop discussion, as it's healthy. We don't want our members to be prevented form discussing products in case they're seen to be promoting them either.

We hope that most people will agree.

George

[PESCA]

Not funny. Not a common courtesy either. Please don't think you're doing us a favour.

Bottom line now, if you can't post without swearing just for the sake of it, or think that you can now use any swear word except for the one I pm'd you about, simply don't post, Rick.

George

[Alan-S]

We hope that most people will agree.

George

+1 here Geroge, i find this forum light hearted, fun and very informative.
Personally i like the fact that the forum isnt littered with swear words as i can show my 11 year old nephew (who has an interest in NV) things on the forum without too much worry about what he will read.

Rick, i hope you can put this issue to one side as i have liked your posts and would not like to see you fall out of luv with the forum and in turn, us loose your input mate
ATB
Al

[PESCA]

Not funny. Not a common courtesy either. Please don't think you're doing us a favour.

Bottom line now, if you can't post without swearing just for the sake of it, or think that you can now use any swear word except for the one I pm'd you about, simply don't post, Rick.

George

EDITED BEFORE ITS DELETED but i did say pull your head from out your Royal

Still not funny, Rick.

George

[PESCA]

Well, I'm afraid that you're not the only member who helps or introduces, Rick. There's almost another 700 members to consider.

As for trying to turn this around as if I don't appreciate the other members, that's a cheap shot.

Like I said earlier, you're the third member to receive a pm regarding the use of foul language, so don't make out that you're some kind of martyr and badly done to. The second use of bad language was reported to us by another forum member, which goes to show that it's not just Geoff and myself who are offended by the use of extreme bad language on an open forum.

At this moment in time, there wouldn't seem to be a great need to make the swearing issue a 'sticky'. Three cases in eleven months simply doesn't warrant it.

As you've decided to make your posts personal toward me, I suggest that you take this to where it should have stayed in the first place, which is via pm, as it's detrimental to the forum.

If your comments had taken place on another forum, they would have been deleted by now and you would no longer be a member. I'm trying to be fair here, so don't abuse it.

George

[PESCA]

You're quite right, Rick, this thread could so easily be deleted, but I choose not to, as I don't want to brush the matter under the carpet.

It's not about pride, Rick, it's about us all behaving like adults and not throwing our dummies out when we can't get our own way, and that applies to all of us.

Our members are appreciated and can't see where you get the impression that they're not. Was that based on the fact that you're upset at being asked to keep the forum a better place for members to browse?

No one's treating you like a child at all, and if it was about pride, a proud man would have accepted the request to refrain from the swearing.

This thread was started by you as knee-jerk response to the fact that you'd been sent a polite pm request to cease using extremely foul language, and you took exception to it. The foul language has been edited from your posts on several occasions now and this is the second time in as many weeks that you've been asked via pm to refrain from using the 'c' word.

In regard to banning you, it certainly looks like you want to be banned. Just let me know for sure 'cos I'm getting tired of your 'I've done absolutely nothing wrong attitude'. Adult to adult, I'll oblige you, if that's what you want. I won't allow your persistant last-word ranting to have a bad effect on this forum, which, is, in case you missed it, IS growing as a community.

George