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Re: I had to take a second glance.

Post by Midnight.Sun » 11 Nov 2016, 23:50

CustomRifleScopesUK wrote:
rodp wrote:
phoenix wrote:I don't feckin believe it :thumbdown:
It's now official, you can fool all of the people all of the time.

You won't hear from me for a while, I'm off to build my personal nuclear bunker for the time when that idiot Trump presses the button.

Cheers

Bruce

Don't think it will be that bad Bruce, trump speaks to putin apparently which has to be good. It needs something like this to stop the Muslim and third world occupation of the Western world that "Our wonderful leaders" are gleefully accepting. We will now have Putin looking after Russia for Russia's sake, Trump doing the same for the states, all we need know is for the MP's top block brexit so Farage gets in for us and the world will be a better place, for us at least. Middle East and third world countries should be left alone, no interference and no aid, let nature take it's course for once and let Muslim do unto Muslim what they will. Totally block any technological and monetary assistance and leave them to it, just ignore them and repatriate their population where possible.

I know a lot will not agree with this rather cruel stance but it needs doing for our children's sake, otherwise their children will not have a country to call their own. Callous yes, Xenophobic possibly, racist definitely not as I don't care what race they are, True and necessary - absolutely !!

Nail on the head, sorry but he's right......we meddle too much, I was in Bosnia when that mass genocide kicked off and they just kept shooting at us while we were giving aid to hungry people, talk about un-grateful. Power and religion fueled that one, so just leave them too it, hard stance I know but all this PC is counter productive, i think we stick our nose where it doesn't belong !

Regards CRS
Can't see what's there in Bruce's post that triggered those two answers?

Out of repeated confusion!!

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Re: I had to take a second glance.

Post by rodp » 12 Nov 2016, 08:45

Midnight.Sun wrote:
CustomRifleScopesUK wrote:
rodp wrote:

Don't think it will be that bad Bruce, trump speaks to putin apparently which has to be good. It needs something like this to stop the Muslim and third world occupation of the Western world that "Our wonderful leaders" are gleefully accepting. We will now have Putin looking after Russia for Russia's sake, Trump doing the same for the states, all we need know is for the MP's top block brexit so Farage gets in for us and the world will be a better place, for us at least. Middle East and third world countries should be left alone, no interference and no aid, let nature take it's course for once and let Muslim do unto Muslim what they will. Totally block any technological and monetary assistance and leave them to it, just ignore them and repatriate their population where possible.

I know a lot will not agree with this rather cruel stance but it needs doing for our children's sake, otherwise their children will not have a country to call their own. Callous yes, Xenophobic possibly, racist definitely not as I don't care what race they are, True and necessary - absolutely !!

Nail on the head, sorry but he's right......we meddle too much, I was in Bosnia when that mass genocide kicked off and they just kept shooting at us while we were giving aid to hungry people, talk about un-grateful. Power and religion fueled that one, so just leave them too it, hard stance I know but all this PC is counter productive, i think we stick our nose where it doesn't belong !

Regards CRS
Can't see what's there in Bruce's post that triggered those two answers?

Out of repeated confusion!!
I'm off to build my personal nuclear bunker for the time when that idiot Trump presses the button.
I'm assuming Bruce is referring to trump nuking Russia, which at the moment is the only real threat to America. The middle east could be turned to glass by the western world so not really a threat .... yet. The troubles over there just occupy various armies at the moment hence everyone abiding by various human rights laws.
Trump just may do something decisive regarding the middle east, even if only to totally ignore them and close the gates. Problem with that is the massive American weapons companies would suffer, and Trump is a business man through and through. He may just escalate everything in the middle east knowing full well the American companies will do well supplying overseas armies .......... who knows?
Lot of money to be made in war, especially if you supply both sides !!
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Re: I had to take a second glance.

Post by phoenix » 12 Nov 2016, 10:15

My point was that Trump is totally unpredictable.
He says something one day and the direct opposite the next day.
OK, these are only words, and not actions, but you've got to worry when someone with that level of instability has his hand on the nuclear trigger.
Rodp is right - he is a businessman through and through and that's how he looks at the world.
He doesn't deal in right or wrong, moral or immoral, black or white - he simply looks at a given situation and assess the possibilities of making money out of it.
If he thought that nuking a few places would get him a contract to build some hotels and houses on the rubble, I've no doubt he would do it.

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Re: I had to take a second glance.

Post by rodp » 12 Nov 2016, 10:42

phoenix wrote:My point was that Trump is totally unpredictable.
He says something one day and the direct opposite the next day.
OK, these are only words, and not actions, but you've got to worry when someone with that level of instability has his hand on the nuclear trigger.
Rodp is right - he is a businessman through and through and that's how he looks at the world.
He doesn't deal in right or wrong, moral or immoral, black or white - he simply looks at a given situation and assess the possibilities of making money out of it.
If he thought that nuking a few places would get him a contract to build some hotels and houses on the rubble, I've no doubt he would do it.

Cheers

Bruce

That is a distinct possibility Bruce, but on the bright side it would be somewhere warm that the punters want to go. Middle East perhaps ? :think:
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Re: I had to take a second glance.

Post by Midnight.Sun » 12 Nov 2016, 21:41

rodp wrote:That is a distinct possibility Bruce, but on the bright side it would be somewhere warm that the punters want to go. Middle East perhaps ? :think:
:lolno: :lolno: :lolno:

Although.. I think it might be, the best cure..
I'll send my home address to the white house :lol:

No sir, it's not us who worries now, believe me, frightened are the Arab Gulf countries, i'm sure of that info, and if any nuke is to be dropped, they are the no1 priority.

But of course, it's a very long shot, there'll be no nukes, and Trump in not an idiot or anything, Trump is going to be just perfect for us.

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Re: I had to take a second glance.

Post by Midnight.Sun » 12 Nov 2016, 22:05

phoenix wrote:My point was that Trump is totally unpredictable.
He says something one day and the direct opposite the next day.
OK, these are only words, and not actions, but you've got to worry when someone with that level of instability has his hand on the nuclear trigger.
My point exactly, that's what i saw in your post, written in a jest.
phoenix wrote:Rodp is right - he is a businessman through and through and that's how he looks at the world.
He doesn't deal in right or wrong, moral or immoral, black or white - he simply looks at a given situation and assess the possibilities of making money out of it.
If he thought that nuking a few places would get him a contract to build some hotels and houses on the rubble, I've no doubt he would do it.

Cheers

Bruce
Good point form rodp, we shall see if Trump weighs his decisions based on that only. I see more in his personality at his age now, 15 years ago, yes he was just a businessman.

Forget about the nukes man .. :mrgreen: It was all media.


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Re: I had to take a second glance.

Post by Midnight.Sun » 12 Nov 2016, 23:57

rodp wrote:I'm assuming Bruce is referring to trump nuking Russia, which at the moment is the only real threat to America.
You mean number one rival to America, not necessarily threat, and not the only rival or threat. But even so, what is the reason Trump will even ever think of nuking Russia, no, they get along very well, that's obvious. Trust my words, he will be the first US President to be smarter than a mouse about the US relations with Russia, finally. He is going to be the greatest President in US foreign policy history. I just wish he is surrounded with the best Presidential protection team, as should.

I'm sure many countries are going to try everything to break that closeness (any comes to mind?). Your "friends" in the gulf already started since day one of his win, but they are fooling no one. Anyway they are going down, and soon you'll be dealing with different kind of people over there, no need for thanks, be our guests, you're share of oil will be preserved, just like everyone's.
rodp wrote:The middle east could be turned to glass by the western world so not really a threat .... yet. The troubles over there just occupy various armies at the moment hence everyone abiding by various human rights laws.
Trump just may do something decisive regarding the middle east, even if only to totally ignore them and close the gates. Problem with that is the massive American weapons companies would suffer, and Trump is a business man through and through. He may just escalate everything in the middle east knowing full well the American companies will do well supplying overseas armies .......... who knows?
Lot of money to be made in war, especially if you supply both sides !!
Russian made arms is fuelling 90 % of the Syrian conflict, and more than the needs, many of it coming from Muslims in ex Yugoslavian territories and some from ex Czechoslovakia too (way to go Europe :thumbdown: ). USA contribution is there with some equipments and training and arms and information, but most of it (not all) going to partially arm fellow Kurdish citizens fighting ISIS and other Islamists (so a good thing), other is for others but was not a successful story because dangerous things like held guided rockets ended in AlQaeda hands, also recently things are given directly to sub-AlQaeda groups! The rest is to Turkey bypassed to the benefit of its militants. The Big US portion is to arm the Iraqi government and anti ISIS parties there (so to our benefit too). So the party on the US companies side must be going on pretty good. The Syrian government and allies side armed only Russian made.

Britain is doing it's part mostly from Jordan and coordinating with UAE and the Gulf States, active in the southern and eastern Syrian borders, also in northwest Iraqi kurdistan and Turkey along northern borders. I don't think you are selling any British made weapons other than to your official allies Governments in the region, but other aids and training, arms and equipments was given to some elite groups controlled buy Jordan, as there was some incidents and failed plans on that sector. But your worst is the Islamic activities and satellite TV channels broadcasting from inside the UK, many are Salafi Jihadi too (freedom of speech I guess?!) preaching all the time against our secular state, and the other regional secular states like Egypt, same thing on the web, many websites, Facebook, social media groups, apps groups, ... etc, like the Muslims Brotherhoods Group activities (maybe their real headquarter too ?!) and Salafi Mosques and preachers and followers, part of it must be under secret service control, and most of it is being watched, but the fact remains that there are Islamists "Islands" inside your country. I hear you welcomed many of them with open arms over the last century, and years (letting in the ones useful policy I imagine ?!).

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