Maggie Twatcher

[Hartshot]

Priceless. Couldn't agree more mate
Very, very funny dude

[rodp]

You may be right, there may not be a "God". There was something though, there's just too much gone on unexplained.
I believe Stonehenge, although built over several years, would have been impossible to build as there just wasn't the required amount of folk in the south ? All these temples etc abroad, in the jungles etc, made from blocks of stone that are "quite heavy" and cut too such an accuracy they would have trouble doing it now. To cut the stones then grind them to such a fine finish would have taken so long they would still be doing it now.
How do you explain the cave drawings of folk in helmets and with wings, at that time folk drew what they had seen, or thought they had seen.

There's more to this than we think ...........


Yeah, I'm puddled.

[Hartshot]

We aint alone that's for sure. It would be very naive for us to think that we are the only living planet in the whole universe. Whether anything intelligent has ever visited us deliberately or accidentally (to me) is highly debateable within the confines of the length of time humanity as we know it has inhabited the earth. That said, stranger things have happened ! Did you know that recently scientists discovered life underground and 'within' stone. I'm not talking mammals or plants as we know them but a cross between algae and I dunno what but, it lives. It does not rely on the sun to exist in any way shape or form, so that blows a whole shed load of theories right out the window.
My ex Mrs, she aint from this planet, she's a cross between algae and scum - even my kids know that's true

[sunndog]

organised religion?.....thats easy. last refuge of the weak and ignorant

thatcher?.....a great leader for britain. and no, i'm not wealthy by any means

[rodp]

We aint alone that's for sure. It would be very naive for us to think that we are the only living planet in the whole universe. Whether anything intelligent has ever visited us deliberately or accidentally (to me) is highly debateable within the confines of the length of time humanity as we know it has inhabited the earth. That said, stranger things have happened ! Did you know that recently scientists discovered life underground and 'within' stone. I'm not talking mammals or plants as we know them but a cross between algae and I dunno what but, it lives. It does not rely on the sun to exist in any way shape or form, so that blows a whole shed load of theories right out the window.
My ex Mrs, she aint from this planet, she's a cross between algae and scum - even my kids know that's true

You don't want to listen to that "all life has to be carbon based and cannot exist here and there because of some theory" claptrap. They always miss something very important off the end when they make these sort of statements which is "as we know at this moment in time".

[phoenix]

You may be right, there may not be a "God". There was something though, there's just too much gone on unexplained.
I believe Stonehenge, although built over several years, would have been impossible to build as there just wasn't the required amount of folk in the south ? All these temples etc abroad, in the jungles etc, made from blocks of stone that are "quite heavy" and cut too such an accuracy they would have trouble doing it now. To cut the stones then grind them to such a fine finish would have taken so long they would still be doing it now.
How do you explain the cave drawings of folk in helmets and with wings, at that time folk drew what they had seen, or thought they had seen.

There's more to this than we think ...........


Yeah, I'm puddled.

Rod,
Just because you believe that it was impossible for our ancestors to build Stonehenge, doesn't mean that they couldn't or didn't - that's called an argument from incredulity and is a well known logical fallacy.
The great strength of science is that it is continually being tested and when better explanations for what happens in the natural world come along, the old explanation is discarded and newer, better knowledge accepted and then that new knowledge is subjected to continual testing.
In addition, scientific theories must be falsifiable - in other words, there should be something which, if it was discovered would make a current theory false.
One of the best examples of this applies to the Theory of Evolution.
If someone discovered a fossilised rabbit in amongst a bunch of fossilised dinosaurs, then the Theory of Evolution would have been shown to be false, because everything we know about the age of the Earth and when animals appeared and became extinct tells us that dinosaurs were extinct many millions of years before rabbits existed
Religion has a real problem with science, because science has provided explanations for many of "God works in mysterious ways" things in the natural world. So much so that God can now only be found in the rapidly shrinking gaps in our knowledge.

Cheers

Bruce

[squid]

As I said previously (and no offence taken by the way, it's all a bit of fun now anyhoo) things did need to change. Trade unions needed reeling in. The coal industry was on it's last legs, which in my view was a major factor in the disputes because coal reserves were rapidly dwindling and demand followed the same trend.
Look at the steel industry as an example, the Germans, Dutch, Italians, Russians, Indians, Chinese, and several other governments still subsidise steel firms with a coin or two in their boot between shifts , they are all still going, ours........well.......... not so good !
I, like a lot of others here experienced frst hand the demise of the trade unions, for better and for worse ! We are at a stage now where employers have so much power (myself included) it's shameful. Workers have lost their rights to such an extent that employers can do virtually anything and get away with it. I don't take the piss out of the lads who work under me, that can't be said for a huge percentage of employers out there.
It's purely personal for me regarding Maggie. She crossed my family, I don't forget..........
Now, every Magpie I get is my own little retrobution, a symbolic gesture and a wry smile to myself for the old crow !
I do agree she had more balls than most. But. If you look at the fallout and subsequent wider issues stemming from her influence it doesn't read well ! We now have the widest gap in Europe between the affluent and less well off. Worrying !
Was there a contingency plan for the areas most affected, for the industries most affected, for the people most affected....you decide !
The results stand for themselves today. Britain was once a major manufacturing base, worldwide. Now, it's all but gone, there's nothing left because they were dealt a heavy hand which decimated their future, not shaped it. She had balls but did she let her knob rule her brain. Anybody can break something, it's fixing it afterwards, that's the real challenge, the real skill ! Did she succeed in that endeavour ?
All that's left are call centres and kebab shops.
That was a Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the 'No Tears for Maggie' party.

Religion, c'mon let's get cracking on that hot spud next

You make your point well.

As for religion- mankinds greatest folly. If people spent less time worshiping there particular brand of mythical deity, and more time being decent to their fellow man, then the world would be a better place.

[artisansportsman]

I live in a or what was a mining village I saw with my own eyes friends suffer so I don't have much to say other than I think the rot set in back then , for those who are old enough to remember back then GB was a better place than it is now in my mind anyway each leader takes there turn at lining there pockets & at the same time destroying a once great country . One is same as the other they should all be put in the same hole to save money you know we are all in this together type of thing.

[squid]

I live in a or what was a mining village I saw with my own eyes friends suffer so I don't have much to say other than I think the rot set in back then , for those who are old enough to remember back then GB was a better place than it is now in my mind anyway each leader takes there turn at lining there pockets & at the same time destroying a once great country . One is same as the other they should all be put in the same hole to save money you know we are all in this together type of thing.

Isn't it inevitable though, that heavy industry will always move to that part of the world with least cost base?

We all want more and more, we have grown to expect an ever increasing standard of living, and that makes us to expensive. We are all responsible for our feight.

Unfortunately the situation will only get worse. We have too many people in the country. Our remaining industry is often highly mechanised and we just don't have meaningful employment for everyone. I think over 70% of the population is now employed in the service industry, and that overburdens the remaining productive workforce, who ultimately have to fund them. That makes us uncompetitive.

We need a smaller population, doing meaningful work, and exactly opposite is occurring.

[sunndog]

Just because you believe that it was impossible for our ancestors to build Stonehenge, doesn't mean that they couldn't or didn't - that's called an argument from incredulity and is a well known logical fallacy.
The great strength of science is that it is continually being tested and when better explanations for what happens in the natural world come along, the old explanation is discarded and newer, better knowledge accepted and then that new knowledge is subjected to continual testing.
In addition, scientific theories must be falsifiable - in other words, there should be something which, if it was discovered would make a current theory false.
One of the best examples of this applies to the Theory of Evolution.
If someone discovered a fossilised rabbit in amongst a bunch of fossilised dinosaurs, then the Theory of Evolution would have been shown to be false, because everything we know about the age of the Earth and when animals appeared and became extinct tells us that dinosaurs were extinct many millions of years before rabbits existed
Religion has a real problem with science, because science has provided explanations for many of "God works in mysterious ways" things in the natural world. So much so that God can now only be found in the rapidly shrinking gaps in our knowledge.

Cheers

Bruce

very well put that bruce.
can you believe i know a man who's job of work is a geologist. and he's a christian........so by extension he believes that the make believe star baby's dad created the earth in 6 days WTF!!!