Hey foreign guys...Yankee question

[Frogman Ladue]

Hey, what's the low down on the Brexit thing?

About the only thing the media on this side is talking about, is the stock market dropped 600pts and everyone is gonna go broke.

[rodp]

It's quite simple really, in 1975 we joined the common market, a good idea as it lifted restrictions and tariffs on trading with europe. However, over the last 40 odd years the rich and powerful decided it would make a really good way of making even more money and more power. The end result was a situation where Brussels were trying to form a vast and powerful single state that ruled the worlds economy.
In this single state the various "boroughs" that were profitable supported the lazy ones that weren't, in our case we gave £350 million a week. They gave us approximately half back but told us where and what we could spend it on, so really we lost it.
The population of Great Britain could see through this and didn't like it so our government had to offer a referendum on staying in, never for a minute did they think we would vote out. You have July the 4th, we have June the 23rd .

The ups and downs of the pound were to be expected, and the FTSE. There'll be other "disasters" yet to come. Most of it due to the various governments spite at our busting up their gravy train. It will all blow over shortly and everything will return to normal, except we'll be FREE from the foreign eurocrats telling us what, where and when to do.

[Midnight.Sun]

UK is a strong nation, and those numbers should not affect you, I don't see any other strong European country complaining, non of them any stronger than the UK.

EU policies sure ain't great, neither are some of their democracy, and naive decisions about humanitarian refugees .., etc.

Watching the Government institutions and big British companies announcements at the last days before the polls it was obvious that the Remain camp and the Government -if assume they were on the same side and there's no political play- they seemed behind and in trouble. I find it hard to believe that the government body didn't know what the outcome of the referendum was going to be in England and Wales, so why else did they offer the polls? Was it inevitable? Where they betting on the labour force? Maybe but not so convincing. Any way can't say it's not a fair method to decide a nation's future, just it's not so fair on a 52 % to 48 % as the whole UK, maybe decisive enough for England & Wales, so obviously more referendums are to come in the other two parts.

From a friendship POV, i hoped to see the other outcome, and that UK could solve the differences without leaving, the UK never was inside the EU, it was more like a neighbourhood partnership. Now the back turning and the hurt feelings and closedup doors is sad, it's like you're bringing back your kids from playing out with their friends inside the old big house as final decision and offer them tea and muffin and expect them to smile!

I also want to say that the leave campaign personals don't make it any easier, "Farage" when I first heard of him in here in a thread title, i wondered because his nickname is an Arabic word, where many people has fathers name or nickname "Farage" (in Arabic = relief) ironically enough, so I traced his family origin over Wikipedia they said about 200 years back in some English island.. etc, etc...never read any further, but seeing his act and watch him walking with his umbrella on arm, I know it was raining, and I know about the beloved classic style, but the guy doesn't reflect trust, he wasn't acting out very national, he was full of personal ambition, also accompanied with a man on his left that is dressed with every British piece of clothe looking like Charlock Holmes, to me it was like more of an Egyptian salesman act.

Although the European leaders threatened of no coming back, and the Leave guys who said "who will?" I think in the years ahead there's going to be different takes from both sides, also I don't see any sign that the EU is dying, neither I think that there's anyone internationally or regionally thrilled for what happened despite of the late advertisement.

[CustomRifleScopesUK]

Reading with interest and it looks like there are quite a few passionate people both sides of the debate ....at the end of the day it was the people that spoke and that is what the majority wanted......good to be reminded that we still do have a democratic country, was it the right decision. ...only time will tell ?

[rodp]

UK is a strong nation, and those numbers should not affect you, I don't see any other strong European country complaining, non of them any stronger than the UK.

EU policies sure ain't great, neither are some of their democracy, and naive decisions about humanitarian refugees .., etc.

Watching the Government institutions and big British companies announcements at the last days before the polls it was obvious that the Remain camp and the Government -if assume they were on the same side and there's no political play- they seemed behind and in trouble. I find it hard to believe that the government body didn't know what the outcome of the referendum was going to be in England and Wales, so why else did they offer the polls? Was it inevitable? Where they betting on the labour force? Maybe but not so convincing. Any way can't say it's not a fair method to decide a nation's future, just it's not so fair on a 52 % to 48 % as the whole UK, maybe decisive enough for England & Wales, so obviously more referendums are to come in the other two parts.

From a friendship POV, i hoped to see the other outcome, and that UK could solve the differences without leaving, the UK never was inside the EU, it was more like a neighbourhood partnership. Now the back turning and the hurt feelings and closedup doors is sad, it's like you're bringing back your kids from playing out with their friends inside the old big house as final decision and offer them tea and muffin and expect them to smile!

I also want to say that the leave campaign personals don't make it any easier, "Farage" when I first heard of him in here in a thread title, i wondered because his nickname is an Arabic word, where many people has fathers name or nickname "Farage" (in Arabic = relief) ironically enough, so I traced his family origin over Wikipedia they said about 200 years back in some English island.. etc, etc...never read any further, but seeing his act and watch him walking with his umbrella on arm, I know it was raining, and I know about the beloved classic style, but the guy doesn't reflect trust, he wasn't acting out very national, he was full of personal ambition, also accompanied with a man on his left that is dressed with every British piece of clothe looking like Charlock Holmes, to me it was like more of an Egyptian salesman act.

Although the European leaders threatened of no coming back, and the Leave guys who said "who will?" I think in the years ahead there's going to be different takes from both sides, also I don't see any sign that the EU is dying, neither I think that there's anyone internationally or regionally thrilled for what happened despite of the late advertisement.

Problem is Midnight, the people in the big house always wanted to pick the games, and my kids didn't like them, and they always put food out that made my kids bad.
We told them but they just said tough, it's what we want to do so don't question your betters. ...................... That doesn't go down well with the British So they got what they deserved

[sunndog]

The kids never wanted to play with the euro friends in the first place though. We are quite happy to see closed doors (and tunnels )

[rodp]

The kids never wanted to play with the euro friends in the first place though. We are quite happy to see closed doors (and tunnels )

That's next, close the tunnel doors and put the padlock on ...................... then throw the key away

[Midnight.Sun]

Problem is Midnight, the people in the big house always wanted to pick the games, and my kids didn't like them, and they always put food out that made my kids bad.
We told them but they just said tough, it's what we want to do so don't question your betters. ...................... That doesn't go down well with the British So they got what they deserved

Did the European really said don't question your better to the British, Rod? Really?!!

Anyway I said it's like you're bringing back your kids from playing outside to inside YOUR big old traditional historic house... Your house is bigger than your kids friends folks house (at least not smaller) and their food is not better, and your kids liked them, you just don't listen.

Vast majority of European are middle class people, not all nobles and wealthy business.

[rodp]

Problem is Midnight, the people in the big house always wanted to pick the games, and my kids didn't like them, and they always put food out that made my kids bad.
We told them but they just said tough, it's what we want to do so don't question your betters. ...................... That doesn't go down well with the British So they got what they deserved

Did the European really said don't question your better to the British, Rod? Really?!!

Anyway I said it's like you're bringing back your kids from playing outside to inside YOUR big old traditional historic house... Your house is bigger than your kids friends folks house (at least not smaller) and their food is not better, and your kids liked them, you just don't listen.

Vast majority of European are middle class people, not all nobles and wealthy business.

No, no Midnight, we didn't bring the kids back, they decided to come back themselves, they didn't like the way they were treated with contempt.

As for the "don't question your betters" they didn't so much say it as insinuate it. EU courts overruling British courts, EU immigration policy overruling what the British public want? That can't happen.
Don't forget a lot of our parents and grand parents went to their deaths to protect these folk not so long ago, now they want to tell us what to do and how to do it?
Like I said, the British will NOT stand for that. The ones that were telling us to stay in usually have some underhand reason, either they get eu grants that will stop or they were on the gravy train. I believe kinnock has 6 (?) members of his family directly employed by the eu, and that's just one ex government member.

[phoenix]

Although I voted Remain, I'm not nearly as upset as I would have been if Scotland had voted to leave the UK in the 2014 referendum.
I've always felt equally Scottish and British, but I've never felt European.
What we joined back in 1973 was NOT the European Union (EU), it was the European Economic Community (EEC) - and most people believed it was simply to improve our trade with Europe.
Two things changed the game and led to Thursdays' result
The EEC became the EU and the goal of the EU is to create a "United States of Europe" - most Brits don't want that
Enlargement to allow ex members of the Soviet Union to join.
Those ex Soviet countries were much poorer than all of the countries in the EU and given the rules of free movement of goods, services and people it was inevitable that large numbers of people from those poor countries would move into the far richer Western European countries to try to make a better life for themselves and their families.
Given that Britain is the second largest economy in the EU and has a relatively generous benefits system, it was inevitable that a disproportionate number of people from these poor Eastern European countries would come to the UK - so immigration and the apparent (but incorrect) situation that these people were taking jobs that should be going to British citizens.
Probably the best summary of the Brits lack of enthusiasm for Europe was given by a historian on radio 4 yesterday when he said
"The EU was invented by clever, French, Catholic, left wing burocrats - and most Brits would have problem with at least 3 of those 5"
On the other side of the coin, it was also said yesterday that "Great Britain is no more, it is now merely Little England"

Cheers

Bruce