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Re: Vice President Fararge

Post by hairyyoda » 21 Apr 2016, 23:28

:wave: Of no relevance at all to the "gist of the contents this thread" but one of Norway's Sovereign Wealth Funds is now worth over "800 Billion Dollars" :thumbup: A bit of Norwegian forward thinking :thumbup: would have helped the finances of a lot of the EU countries and governments in these quieter times. I have no ideas at all, that these facts are of any interest to anyone :yawn: but I am going to vote to elect some Norwegian common sense thinkers into Westminster. :think: Phil
:wave: "Edit" and Norway only invested about 10% of their North Sea Oil Revenue into their Sovereign Fund :thumbup:
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Re: Vice President Fararge

Post by phoenix » 22 Apr 2016, 00:25

There's no doubt that Norway has used the wealth generated from the oil in it's sector of the North Sea more wisely than we have in the UK, but there are extenuating factors.
1. Before oil was discovered, The population of Norway was around 5 million and 80% or more of it's electricity came from Hydro electric power.
2. Before oil was discovered, the population of the UK was around 55 million and 90% of it's electricity came from coil and oil fired power stations, with all the oil being imported from the Middle East
Basically, Norway didn't really need the oil, it was a huge bonus. The Norwegians recognised that and decided to develop it pretty slowly (it lasts longer that way)
When oil was discovered, Britain was effectively broke, so oil was the "get out of jail" card and had to be developed as quickly as possible to reduce our imports and to generate tax revenues for the government.
Although Britain has no Sovereign wealth fund, it was the money from oil that kept the country going in the late 70' and early 80s when our indigenous industries were closing right left and centre.
Here's an example of how desperate the government was for oil money
BP (who were owned by the UK government at the time) had found the huge "Forties" oil field and decided to produce the oil (i.e bring it out of the ground and up to the surface through steel pipes which were 4 1/2" in diameter. This size of pipe would allow the oil to flow at a rate which would sustain production for many years and maximise the total amount of oil taken out of the ground. They ordered and had delivered more than 8000 of these pipes which were each 30 feet long.
I then had the job of testing each and every one of those pipes for defects which might cause it to fail when put into the ground.
Then the government said to BP that the planned production rate was too low and would not supply enough oil or generate enough tax revenue, so they instructed the BP engineers to increase the level of production by increasing the size of the pipes used to produce the oil.
The result was that oil from the Forties field came out of the ground through a 7" diameter pipe instead of a 4 1/2" diameter pipe.
That kept the government happy, but it totally f****d the long term prospects for the oil field and BP sold it on a few years ago because the production rate has dropped so low.
Rant over.

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Re: Vice President Fararge

Post by Midnight.Sun » 22 Apr 2016, 01:26

Let me give you some third world BS POV about firearms free trade, and in bad English too :thumbup: .

I don't think that any other country can legalise firearms sales like the US do, without major consequences, I don't know how they do it, I guess it's been a tradition for ever there, so the masses got used to it, and yet it is still causing them heck of trouble.

In the totalitarian countries, we have tremendous restrictions, even on hunting rifles and knives, of course you can buy a cheap knife anywhere, but even that can get you to go to jail for 6 months if police finds you carrying one. Arms and amos you need to have very good reasons to get licenses to poses or carry and they will make a complete background check .. etc, to finally get a hunting license. Black market sales did exist, but i think it was the government running it, and across all the neighbouring countries. Arming for self-defence is not a culture in here (like it is in Yemen), here it was -and still in most parts- a government job only, though the laws was and still is to be neglected easily when it concerns someone close to someone in the big money and government officials club. I myself have never hold or used or owned a hand gun or an assault rifle to this day, I vaguely remember at high school when we used to have military training classes two or three times a week, some of them were about dissemble and reassemble the AK-74 rifle, maybe they made us do it once in one of those classes or not, I don't remember if I have done it or not, but I do remember the rifle being demonstrated in front of us in the class room many times, and I remember that once i was told to bring it from the principle's office and i had fun holding it all the way to our class room, then one year I heard that my class mates had AK-74 shooting class at summer camp which I weren't invited to and I assumed it was because I didn't join the ruling party like the others, and apparently i lost my chance to learn computer after school classes with them for the same reason. Anyway, i had a chance to practice a lot of hunting when i was young in our village at the mountains at summer vacations, i used airguns, hunting rifles 9 mm and 12 mm, old style hunting rifles (don't know it's name) the one that you push stuff inside the barrel with a stick thing, all were very old arms ownership from like 50 years ago from before the last government era was started. Later I had the luck -and the money- to skip serving in the army, which is a very difficult thing to manage, so i lost my chance for shooting training there too, as I followed the idea that spreaded around here back at the late 90s and early 2000 that serving the army was mostly a waste of two and a half years of a young man's life, but all the other approximately 80 - 90 % of the male population had to serve the army and learned all the necessary skills to know how to kill each others and destroy the country later when the civil war starts, though not all the people involved in the war now have served in the army, as there are many youngsters and foreign fighters among other kinds of freaks show.

Syria 5 years ago was one of the safest countries if not the safest ever, but on the price of a lot pressure on freedoms and justice ...etc, but you know what, there isn't anything different between Syria then and now, aside from the half million casualties and cities and towns and economy destruction, all the reasons for that were exactly the same then as it is still now, all the hatred and divided beliefs and ignorance and selfishness and lack of loyalty to the general interest .. etc, all that existed before the war, but the only thing that didn't exist before the war is the spread of arms in the hands of people, like it is the case now after the borders collapsed, now -to who don't know- there's everything available to all the crazy heads fools, from tanks, missiles, mines, bombs, laser guided rockets, light chemical weapons ...etc, everything needed for the religious charged inhabitants to impose their free will. So, is it better now that people have the privilege of owning what ever weapons of choice?

History or something gave the Syrians the chance for free will to express themselves and most of them especially the ignorants turned it into an Islamic Jihad pandora's box, under the encouragement from the Gulf states and Turkey.

I know your countries and societies are hundreds of years ahead of ours in education and culture and modernity ... etc, and it can handle lots of things like the variety of freedoms, even the freedom of guns and arms possession, but why the risk, arms have the ability to make any situation a lot worse, you have a lot of immigrants and unemployment among other problems, you saw what happened in 2011 in the streets and marketing stores in London, even somthing unexpected like weather storms might cause chaos, why would you like the free arms trade like US, if you like arms simply join Law agencies or military or shooting clubs or something, better for you and for your kids safety and future.

I'm deep inside a stupid warrior just like the next person, I would love to have access to arms and advanced equipment, but it has to be very strict and organised, I think the EU peaceful way of life is the way forward not the US cowboy ways.

As for leaving the EU, when were you in it anyway? Don't know the details, but would be nice if you can keep up what you have now for agreements. Anyway, if you decide to stay or leave, i don't think it will make much difference, although i have no idea which way the economy is to be shifted.
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Re: Vice President Fararge

Post by hairyyoda » 22 Apr 2016, 01:40

:wave: "Edit" and Norway only invested about 10% of their North Sea Oil Revenue into their Sovereign Fund :thumbup:
Only investment the UK government has supported is Banking and the City, as Stephen the Irishman said in Braveheart "your foocked" and we still are now as well :lolno: Phil
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Re: Vice President Fararge

Post by pickle » 23 Apr 2016, 20:53

Well chas, what can I say, you made me roar man - thank you for your take. Am glad you added the t in Branston. In deference to the American chaps on the forum - no harm intended. David Attenboro's American £100,000 thermal Serengeti camera is second to none on the planet - sublime, I wonder what bits we developed over here. Froggy Ladue I wish to say that Hilary Clinton does tend to wear the most bizarre clothes and I also have this probably quite unfounded mad idea that you must be one of those crazy catfish wrestlers. I remember onetime ordering a sort of green plastic swivel chair with extending legs from the US ebay. I had to get an English customs number from the most irritating Welsh customs Officer who wanted my inside leg measurement. Lo and behold the chair arrived and my ass wouldn't fit on the round swivel bit - it was built for midgets or maybe small bottomed Chinese people. So painful after about 20 mins. OK so I've got a big ass but I thought - so do most Yanks - what can go wrong. Anyway it broke one night and dumped me on the deck - leg mounts gave out and damn near kilt me. The chair remnants are now built into a swivel boat seat modified with one of my wife's green plastic garden EU chairs - cut the legs off and stuck it to the swivel base bit - much stronger than the original. The moral so far is - if you have a normal to big arse don't buy an American green plastic sporting swivel chair. Oh yeah I remember now Gun Mart thought it was - 'a must have wonderful best accessory chair event since sliced salaami'.
One day 'recently' I heard a noise (cos I'm old and I hear strange things) and rushed outside - engine noise from a B17, probably the Sally B. Well the "ein dicker hund" flew right over me and my house at less than 350ft. Goddam that bitch. Built them in Airfix plastic as a kid and their omni presence still haunts me with the resonance and spirit of all those USAAF young men that never made it back to blighty or home. These warriors are an enduring part of British legacy and it follows that I have no desire to forget them nor shall I.
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Re: Vice President Fararge

Post by hairyyoda » 24 Apr 2016, 10:25

Pickled Branston Quote >>> "Tell me what it is you actually get from the States worth a light.
Sightron S Tac :thumbup: :thumbup:
Seminole choke tubes :thumbup: :thumbup:
Briley choke tubes :thumbup: :thumbup:
Minaska predator caller :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Realtree Camo :thumbup: :thumbup:
Winchester Western cartridges (the old stock) :thumbup:
Fox Pro callers :thumbup:
P S Olt hand predator callers :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Penn fishing reels :thumbup: :thumbup:
Hastings Remington 34 inch wad-lock barrel :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Hastings choke tubes "65 thou of choke" :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Remington 700 rifle actions (to name only one) :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
ITT Gen III N/V tubes :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Beamshot Greenbeam Laser :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Some of the older smaller Husqvarna "closed port chainsaws" that can be revved upwards of 14,700 rpm. :thumbup:
(yes the Husqvarna's are Swedish but there were special EPA models available in the US & Canada :thumbup: :thumbup: )

"will continue the above list later as I am being nagged to do some jobs while the sun is shining :lol: :wtf: :clap: "

Probably over 80% plus of most of the reloading requirements from dies through to powders brass and bullet :thumbup:
Levi Strauss & Co "where would the 60's and 70's have been without a good pair of Levis ? :thumbup: :lol: :clap:
Motown Music "no need for any explanations at all" :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

"I'll be back after my list of jobs because the nagging has just resumed at full volume" :wtf: :lol: :clap:
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Re: Vice President Fararge

Post by rodp » 24 Apr 2016, 12:54

Phil, you forgot KFC :thumbup:
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Re: Vice President Fararge

Post by pickle » 24 Apr 2016, 15:41

hairyyoda love you man and bless. Well I stand corrected, Briley choke tubes etc eh. Well Beretta chokes were pretty good but of course you (but your a Welshman - aren't you?) now own them as well. I have to say that UK reloaders are grateful for your Welsh manuals and catalogues of reloading kit which on balance doesn't look that pricey. What ever happened to American Scope Optics by the way, apparently your (oh dear) people used to make their own - but they did look a bit like the Hungarian IOR with the turret blocks moved outboard - (IOR seemingly no longer advertised in Gun Mart). Well you Americans (Welsh) can make damn good stuff, trouble is you guys usually keep it to yourselves - like decent French wine. Take 10-22's for instance. The action is made of mazak (old Dinky toys) and the only way to get them to shoot straight is with a heavy Green Mountain Barrel at great cost from the States of course - the carbon wrap tube jobbies also look very trick and they do tend to work. However, you have to send them to Yorkshire or some outlandish place near Northallerton UK (of course) to get em properly fixed so they eject. Have seen guys support them with auto jacks in order to zero them at 26yds. Well of course we import Ruger by the boatload cos you (Welsh) Americans want to get rid of them for obvious reasons. Cheap as chips plinkers used a lot as club guns in this country. Now you/they are up against cheap Chinese and South American small bore stuff. I think to be honest our import duty is the main problem and HM Customs and Excise just do not like people with guns, scenario set methinks. However we don't appear to charge the Chinese any import duty cos they are our new friends. I meant to add previously for chas that AK's are soo agricultural and only for butterfingered louts and unworldly people but better made and more sturdy than yer average Ruger 10-22. Apparently you can fix em with bailer twine, iron wire and elastic bands which as you may know is what holds up the trousers of the majority of farmers in this country. I couldn't afford the maintenance bill for an old slapper A10 and given 300 hours flying time for an F35 and then another 300hrs for maintenance would just about pay off the national debt given a 10 year contract from the Americans. I tell you this; never underestimate a Tornado with SAR (not Relum silly) - they come from out of nowhere like an old sniper. Note for phoenix, whats all this stuff about small bore pipes man. 26/04/16. Whoa. Just looked at those Alaskan pipes - pretty impressive for a log burner.
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Re: Vice President Fararge

Post by hairyyoda » 24 Apr 2016, 17:49

:wave: "here you go Pickled Branston, some light reading about flow and pipe volumes in case there is nothing on the television later :thumbup: and always remember about Pythagoras Theorem because without him we would still be living in roundhouses :roll: :crazy: :yawn:

http://udel.edu/~inamdar/EGTE215/Pipeflow.pdf

You could also watch and listen to Sheldon on "The Big Bang Theory" he knows a bit about physics :thumbup: :lolno:

Apologies in advance for more bad humour :o but it's all more knowledge for you when you might fall victim to being enrolled in any pub quiz :thumbup: :roll: :crazy: :wtf: :clap: :lol: Have a good evening Phil
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Re: Vice President Fararge

Post by rodp » 24 Apr 2016, 18:26

Very interesting that Phil :roll:


Were some interesting bits though, such as how they lay the pipe across faults etc :thumbup:
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