Newbie. Which spotter
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if wanting to view wildlife with some success at over 800m think you may need something a bit more than the Pard,,,
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Is it possible to clearly see a deer at 3-4-500 meters with a PARD019 and external IR torch?
Is the Sirius XTL worth the extra 55£ or, the Solaris SRX 60£ over the Blacksun?
Is the Sirius XTL worth the extra 55£ or, the Solaris SRX 60£ over the Blacksun?
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Just read this about the Sirius XTL IR Laser Torch:
ONLY USE THESE TORCHES WITH REAR MOUNTED NIGHT VISION DEVICES. I.E NV007, E700 BASED UNITS
Will it fit the PARD019?
ONLY USE THESE TORCHES WITH REAR MOUNTED NIGHT VISION DEVICES. I.E NV007, E700 BASED UNITS
Will it fit the PARD019?
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The Sirius will work with the NV019 - you can see that exact set up working in this video from about 32:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LCmCfun02A
However you will need the adaptor and scope ring shown at the very end of the video to be able to mount the sirius on the underside of the PARD
Cheers
Bruce
However you will need the adaptor and scope ring shown at the very end of the video to be able to mount the sirius on the underside of the PARD
Cheers
Bruce
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I'm thinking maybe check one out on a sale or return basis considering it only has a 25mm lens. 
As per pops thoughts, you might struggle to see a deer clearly at 500 yards because it will be so small in the screen.
It's my opinion you are asking too much by far to have a very wide FOV for so close in yet also want 500 yards.
As per pops thoughts, you might struggle to see a deer clearly at 500 yards because it will be so small in the screen.
It's my opinion you are asking too much by far to have a very wide FOV for so close in yet also want 500 yards.
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Some bloke, what would you suggest in stead?some bloke wrote: ↑02 Sep 2019, 22:49I'm thinking maybe check one out on a sale or return basis considering it only has a 25mm lens.
As per pops thoughts, you might struggle to see a deer clearly at 500 yards because it will be so small in the screen.
It's my opinion you are asking too much by far to have a very wide FOV for so close in yet also want 500 yards.
This will be my first experience with NV so i’m very much open for any input.
Is 500+ yards just too much?
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Some bloke, what would you suggest in stead?
This will be my first experience with NV so i’m very much open for any input.
Is 500+ yards just too much?
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Too much in my experience if you also require 4~5 yards from the same device - unless you are prepared to faff about re-focusing every time you change zoom with some night vision spotters that have say a 6-60mm CS mount CCTV zoom lens, or even a 5~100 zoom lens. That shouldn't be an issue for leisurely wildlife observation rather than one used for hunting by a shooter who only has two hands and is carrying a rifle ready for a quick shot.
I don't recall who builds spotters with such a CS mount zoom lens (I don't) so can't help much there. You would also require one that you fit a separate laser illuminator to because that type of lens is piss poor and then some at high zoom with an LED illuminator in low light.
I can help with a CCD sensor equipped screen type if you are prepared to carry about one with a fairly bulky 12.5 to 75 TV zoom lens. CCD sensors are better at long distance low light response than CMOS HD sensors. I assume you would be using a tripod for the task? I ask because this type is bulkier and heavier than pocket types, and distance use is going to be very wobbly at high magnification.
A screen type like the ones in my signature below are also going to be better for longer duration viewing periods than a near eye viewer type that sting the eye after a few seconds and leave the eye that was used temporarily blinded for a few moments.
Some bloke, what would you suggest in stead?
This will be my first experience with NV so i’m very much open for any input.
Is 500+ yards just too much?
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Too much in my experience if you also require 4~5 yards from the same device - unless you are prepared to faff about re-focusing every time you change zoom with some night vision spotters that have say a 6-60mm CS mount CCTV zoom lens, or even a 5~100 zoom lens. That shouldn't be an issue for leisurely wildlife observation rather than one used for hunting by a shooter who only has two hands and is carrying a rifle ready for a quick shot.
I don't recall who builds spotters with such a CS mount zoom lens (I don't) so can't help much there. You would also require one that you fit a separate laser illuminator to because that type of lens is piss poor and then some at high zoom with an LED illuminator in low light.
I can help with a CCD sensor equipped screen type if you are prepared to carry about one with a fairly bulky 12.5 to 75 TV zoom lens. CCD sensors are better at long distance low light response than CMOS HD sensors. I assume you would be using a tripod for the task? I ask because this type is bulkier and heavier than pocket types, and distance use is going to be very wobbly at high magnification.
A screen type like the ones in my signature below are also going to be better for longer duration viewing periods than a near eye viewer type that sting the eye after a few seconds and leave the eye that was used temporarily blinded for a few moments.
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Thinking of alternatives........
More than double price of PARD 019 IR spotter and a Sirius XTL, but is thermal that much better?
Will I be able to clearly see a deer at 500+ yards with a thermal, like the pulsar axion XM30?
https://www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk/pul ... ey-ex-demo
And can it still see an owl or a fox a few yards away?
More than double price of PARD 019 IR spotter and a Sirius XTL, but is thermal that much better?
Will I be able to clearly see a deer at 500+ yards with a thermal, like the pulsar axion XM30?
https://www.blackwoodoutdoors.co.uk/pul ... ey-ex-demo
And can it still see an owl or a fox a few yards away?
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You would be able to see a deer at 500+ yards and a fox or an owl a few yards away, if you know what you are looking at.
Thermal does not produce high resolution images, and species recognition is all about practice
With the xm30, the maximum DETECTION range for a roe deer size target is around 1500m, but at that range you would merely be able to say "I see something, but I have no idea what it is"
With the XM30 the maximum RECOGNITION range for a roe deer size target (0.7m high and 1.2m long) is about 380m and at that range you would be able to say that it's a deer, but being sure about the exact species or the sex would not be possible
With the xm30 the maximum IDENTIFICATION range for a roe deer size target is about is about 190m and at that range you should (with practice) be able to determine the species and if the animal has antlers, the sex.
At 190m digital night vision equipment such as the PARD NV019 will give a much more detailed image than thermal.
Conclusion - buy the PARD NV019 for short range and the xm30 for long range
Cheers
Bruce
Thermal does not produce high resolution images, and species recognition is all about practice
With the xm30, the maximum DETECTION range for a roe deer size target is around 1500m, but at that range you would merely be able to say "I see something, but I have no idea what it is"
With the XM30 the maximum RECOGNITION range for a roe deer size target (0.7m high and 1.2m long) is about 380m and at that range you would be able to say that it's a deer, but being sure about the exact species or the sex would not be possible
With the xm30 the maximum IDENTIFICATION range for a roe deer size target is about is about 190m and at that range you should (with practice) be able to determine the species and if the animal has antlers, the sex.
At 190m digital night vision equipment such as the PARD NV019 will give a much more detailed image than thermal.
Conclusion - buy the PARD NV019 for short range and the xm30 for long range
Cheers
Bruce
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You didn't answer my question about if you will be using a tripod - or maybe sat in a car? I have a possible one off solution currently in the for sale section
https://nightvisionforumuk.com/viewtopi ... =9&t=19852
But also have a 135mm lens available for it, and/or even with an FPV transmitter and 7" monitor option with record function (which has a neutral density filter laid over the screen which is why you see wrinkles):
This with its M42 50mm lens (that was often used for facial portraits back in the day of film camera's) - and swap the lens for a 135mm zoom lens for your distance viewing. You would need one of the VCSEL laser torches fitted to the integrated mini rail. There are also lower mag M42 lenses available on ebay such as this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chinon-28mm- ... Swgn1dbZ7H
The camera is a nitewolf, sunny days are too much for it so it sometimes flares, and it is mono colour but you won't need a spotter on sunny days. I think this offers an affordable solution for your twilight and night needs. The magmount may not be needed unless you'll be in a car with a tilt slide sunroof, but the handle can be screwed to a regular camera tripod. With the 50mm lens on, it will focus closer than my feet while sitting down but is too zoomed in for practical use so a shorter focal length lens such as that on the ebay link would be needed. The 50mm will be perfect for say 50 yards to 200 yard rabbit to deer size animals. Fit the 135mm for a long range viewing session.
https://nightvisionforumuk.com/viewtopi ... =9&t=19852
But also have a 135mm lens available for it, and/or even with an FPV transmitter and 7" monitor option with record function (which has a neutral density filter laid over the screen which is why you see wrinkles):
This with its M42 50mm lens (that was often used for facial portraits back in the day of film camera's) - and swap the lens for a 135mm zoom lens for your distance viewing. You would need one of the VCSEL laser torches fitted to the integrated mini rail. There are also lower mag M42 lenses available on ebay such as this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Chinon-28mm- ... Swgn1dbZ7H
The camera is a nitewolf, sunny days are too much for it so it sometimes flares, and it is mono colour but you won't need a spotter on sunny days. I think this offers an affordable solution for your twilight and night needs. The magmount may not be needed unless you'll be in a car with a tilt slide sunroof, but the handle can be screwed to a regular camera tripod. With the 50mm lens on, it will focus closer than my feet while sitting down but is too zoomed in for practical use so a shorter focal length lens such as that on the ebay link would be needed. The 50mm will be perfect for say 50 yards to 200 yard rabbit to deer size animals. Fit the 135mm for a long range viewing session.