Radagast wrote: Greece has never paid its way, so let the renewed Ottoman Empire have it.
I know you're kidding, calling them "renewed empire", but i can't help not to tell you some facts about them, that you may not know too much of.
But first
Germany couldn't let Greece out of the EU, and eventually payed them what they needed to solve their economic crisis, simply because the Social (formerly communists) newly elected party then in Greece stood up like the men they are, supported by the majority of the Greeks and threatened to leave the EU and tear down all commitment of the unfair dept the EU had put Greece under at the past Greeks politicians terms, and there were back and forth discussions, but as soon the Russians invited and worm welcomed Tsipras in his first visit to Moscow, saying that they will support Greece out of its economic crisis, suddenly the Greece headline news disappeared. Actually Russia would have loved the EU had proceed with its intention, but EU (Germany) was wise to keep the Greeks and sort out what was previously described by dead end situation. Greece that the EU makes the general public think -including the Greeks themselves- that it's worthless to Europe, which is untrue at all if the EU markets and companies make investments to benefit from the Greeks working force class and their excellent industrial heritage, instead of going to the Chinese to make everything. I think it's about time for all European Governments to make regulations for a static percentage of European manufacturing workers inside every company, or less the economic is going to keep heading down for the unjustified companies profit. On the other hand the Russians made it clear that Greece is of great value on so many levels to them, and they declared that publicly and formally in many meetings.
Now for the Turkish government
Well, they are in much deeper shi* than one may think, but first let me tell you about early when they were elected in 2001 or so. The Syrian ruling System (State, Government, Regime, what ever it is !?) as a deep rooted, wise, time test proven old political player, went on and offered good intentions to the newly elected then, because it is a branch of its old nemesis enemies the Muslems Brotherhood Movement, and they were certainly going to create big threats inside the country, by then the Turks accepted with pleasure because they where very fresh, and knew how much capable the Syrians were, and that it was a choice between prosperity or not staying long to taste it. The Syrians also then were entering a new phase under the young new president Bashar Assad who succeeded his father of late! And said he intended to lead Syria into modernity and prosperity as well, so they both had mutual interest in what the Turks called it the Zero Problems policy, and a long honey moon relationship went along, Syrian President ringing the Turkish Market Bell, many formal visits back and forth, the two First Families dining together, First Ladies opening project in both countries, the Turkish products flooded in the Syrian markets taking a big share out of our industry market share, tourism went along with flying colours more towards Turkey of course, what was a lot more benefits to the bigger country no doubt about it, and it went like that for ten years.
Then just days after Arabic Spring reached Syria, Erdogan went out in public announcing that he will open Turkey's land for the Syrian Opposition (which was mainly the Islamists), just like that. The Syrian officials went, you will pay mother fuc***. And similar stories went on with both Qatar and Saudi Arabia.
Syrian agencies and military forces becoming day after day more brutal against the loyalists to Turkey and Gulf States among the Syrian Muslems Sunni majority, and the foreign Sunni Salafi Jihadists that came in shortly to assist them, and it's been going on ever since, and the sisi Turks Ottomans are yet to find the courage to help their loyalists directly, instead they asked NATO for Patriot Rocket System because they were afraid of the small Syrian country's ballistic missiles (Russia wasn't involved yet), all they did later was sending weapons and religious mercenaries to their deaths, thinking that by weakening the Syrian defence forces, they will eventually rule Syria by proxy, and it's been five years till now.
As result, Erdogan lost majority in the elections and repeated it to win majority, trying to change Turkey into religious state, ruined the peace process with PKK and started civil war inside his country, Turkey now is facing Guerrilla warfare inside the Kurdish Cities in the south, the Kurds whom had won the second biggest share earning second place in the first and legal elections that Erdogan cancelled and repeated, Erdogan regime now heading first rates globally in putting Turkish journalists in jails and closing newspapers, hated all over the world, surrounded by enemies (with Russia now involved), his sun is opening secret training camps and arming and supporting Islamic mercenaries, and trading oil for arms and goods with ISIS, and crying over their later defeats like in Palmyra. They went from Zero Problems policy to Maximum Problems.
Erdogan's only success is when he meets Angela Merkel to be fair with the Sultan, maybe because he thinks of her as only a woman (you need to understand what that is like to a Muslems Brotherhood Movement member).
Same story and even more intense role had been going on with Saudi Arabia, who is now involved in an over its head war with neighbouring Yemen, and went eventually broke, swinging numbers right and left in the face of the US, like 700 billion assets on the US soil, threatening to sell them if the hidden 9/11 investigation papers went to supreme court and a rule against Saudi princess and sheikhs is declared, making fools of hemselves, then Obama calmed them and promised to veto the congress on that issue, and convinced them to sell their assets in their land, as yesterday they said that they are selling 1% of Aramco shares and other assets and lands in their state for 2000 billion dollars, founding some 2030 Economic Vision, becoming a joke as the only buyers there will be eventually are themselves of Saudi families.
So as brutal the Ottomans ruthless invaders used to sound, and the cleansing massacers crimes against humanity that they've done without punishment, the 1.5 million Arminians Christians and the several hundreds of thousands of other unarmed poor hungry Christians minority's during WW1, now there's non of it, all that has changed, them and their new generations of ISIS and its alikes are worthless, a disposable assets, dying every day by the hundreds like dogs, thinking that they are serving "God" by seeking to kill the atheists and the mixers in faith by more than one God (like Christian's Father, Son, and Holly Spirit), aiming to spread their "rightful religion" in the lands of athletes and Christians and Jews, and believe that they're going to get laid with beautiful mermaids women in heaven as a reward if they die in Jehad (Islamic holly war against non Muslems), and that's just some of a very long list of illusions that they base their beliefs around. And the current war in Syria is all about using it as a battlefield land for killing them, on behalf of the rest of the world.
Mr Pickled Branston 
I can also lay my hands a very large quantity of fresh seaweed as there appears to be a above average bumper crop on offer at the moment (it's all to do with the "Spring Tides" and the "Pull of the Moon"). Other the above products there seems to be a lot of bargain price Welsh Lamb on offer following many reports about Lamb-napping, or if your up for a bigger commitment stretching over several lifetimes there are numerous redundant coal mines that could be holding rich viable seams of that expensive "black stuff". If only you would have shown interest and asked a few months ago "Cockles were in big demand" but March to July is the principal breeding season for our native "Cockles" but the powers to be have ruled that there are far too many people pooing and peeing into our inshore waters and it's very uncertain how any local cockle harvest will pan out etc. but if your keen on trying to venture into any cockle reselling enterprise in any parts of your home counties "I know a woman who knows a fisherman who's uncle is very big in supplying pallets of pickled cockles in white vinegar ? Thinking about it "Pickled Cockles and Branston Pickle" could have future as a convenience snack 
Phil
. Get yourself a large sized decommissioned propane gas bottle and remodel and fabricate it into a log burner (plenty of information and plans on line just remember that google is your friend), then buy yourself a good chainsaw, a trailer and a good towing vehicle with a winch and your good to go for free heating 
Phil
