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Re: New display

Post by lightmesser » 18 Feb 2018, 23:01

[quote="CustomRifleScopesUK" if your unlucky a worker at the company splits with your idea and signs up with another company to sell your idea, it happens a lot, so bad in China that big companies like Sony take extra measures to keep ideas safe ![/quote]

I forgot that China is not democratic country so probably their communism legal system does not function properly when it comes to patents and copyrights.

Good to learn something new Splatty. I agree. This is huge issue.

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Re: New display

Post by CustomRifleScopesUK » 19 Feb 2018, 00:22

It’s not communist, they are socialist, I nearly got a slap when I first said it to a Chinese person lol

Speaking of laughing they do that every time I mention copyright or patient and say “what are you going to do, come here and then what” you would have a hard time policing it !

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Re: New display

Post by reindeer » 19 Feb 2018, 15:26

I have been following this search for a workable near eye display with sufficient eye-relief with a smile on my face.
You are looking for something that has been around for quite a few years and meets all your requirements.
Rolaid was the first of us who went this road and documented it years ago.

It is called Zeiss Cinemizer Plus, or even better, Zeiss Cinemizer OLED. 8-) 8-)

Benefits:
* double near eye display.
* all the eye relief you need, even if you wanted to shoot a canon.
* VGA or WVGA resolution with very good picture quality.
* allows you to shoot around the corner or even behind you, a great advantage when shooting from a tree stand or a cramped high seat

I wander if there is at least one member here who would like to try this himself before commenting on it.
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Re: New display

Post by CustomRifleScopesUK » 19 Feb 2018, 15:56

Probably not unless you would like to pay the £1000 +
It costs with a 2.5 out of 5 rating from users and I will
Design the rest of the unit to fit a rifle for you :thumbup:

Zeiss do some great stuff but that was not one of them by what users are saying.

I have a few plans for head gear but they are not cheap for the average joe who wants a near eye setup !

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Re: New display

Post by reindeer » 19 Feb 2018, 17:15

Cinemizer OLED glasses are awesome; FPV pilots fly their drones with these on their heads! They retail for GBP 600 in the UK right now and that is much more than most of us are willing to pay, I agree.
There is another source though and that is the various internet market places.
Second hand OLED still fetches between GBP 200 and GBP 350. I bought one of these for myself and I am still very glad I did.
I also bought quite a lot of Cinemizer Plus glasses for prices between €50 and €150 to build NV add ons on demand and most of them were as good as new. Reason that they are so little used is that they are indeed a poor solution for what they were originally designed for, watching virtual theatre instead of real television. That is why they gather so few stars in consumer rankings. Many of these Cinemizers that were bought as new gadgets and 'must haves' ended up gathering dust in drawers in their owners homes.
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Re: New display

Post by lightmesser » 19 Feb 2018, 18:01

reindeer wrote: I wander if there is at least one member here who would like to try this himself before commenting on it.
Proof of the pudding is in the eating!
Here is that member... It is I Lightmesser, :D
I will give my opinion... So IMHO...

I make FPV google build 2 year ago by attaching 2.4 TX and RX to camera and FPV monitor(FPV monitor was my first).

It had to immersive picture with all that fresnel lenses that adds that immersive experience so I removed fresnel lenses and yes it was usable (5" screen around 10 cm from face) but man that was so disorientating. It is in nature of shooter that has one eye on the target and other eye as orientation.
Ok.. I cooled myself and cleared head from my first FPV monitor build and then friend asked me to to similar stuff for him and I did but this time I had to add only 5.8 TX to camera since he had some Eachine FPV googles.

That also worked. You see perfect but to immersive picture like vf2c but on both eyes. So similar experience as first build but this time rig is bit more immersive but not that bulky anymore since FPV googles are much lighter and nicer.

Third try was before few days ago with my new mentioned FPV monocular googles (Glaxxes) and while it has perfect wide screen resolution monitor on right side(really really perfect) they left some nasty blurry plastic on left side that is eating my nerves :)

So if I would have to choose beside FPV monitor, googles, monocular I would choose FPV monocular but if possible I would avoid them all.

Disadvantages:
- Action. You have three actions to made. To turn camera, to turn on chosen FPV monitor, and to turn on illuminator if it ain't integrated with diy camera system. Hunters from mine environment mostly hunt on tree stands or stands and they don't have habit to turn on their rigs all the time but only when they feel something is out there. So when you are excited on stand you really want fast one press of a button action to make that shot... Excitement is in the air and with FPV system action is turn that, turn that of f..ck! I also have to turn on that... In meantime you accidentally kick or tumble something, and game goes away even before you turned rig on.

- Disorientating. OK we finally managed to turn our rig on and then you got to put rifle on some branch or any other custom rest on stand and that action suddenly becomes hard. Why? We lost orientation. OK we finally managed to place rifle and take shot and miss or we have other shooting opportunity and unfortunately we have bolt action rifle. So what I noticed most of guys will take googles of to make that bolt action and then put googles back again because they are disorientated. Center of balance is not same any more. Focus is on immersive screen.
Most guys will be unable to place other shot with bolt rifle unless they take googles off. Tested that personally with few guys.

- You don't have natural shooting position or shooting feeling. It is in nature of shooter that has one eye on the target and other eye as orientation. That is concerning FPV monitor and FPV glasses but FPV monocular could solve that issue but still other disadvantages mentioned above...

Advantage:
- Recoil proof
- Eye relief is not an issue since you have screen mounted on your head :)
- No screen glow
- DVR function in most of FPV googles

But no matter for advantages. Shooting feeling is what people like and I am very convinced that more than 70% of people would not like it. But if they do they certainly don't need to spend 600$ there are decent googles in 100-200$ range.

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Re: New display

Post by reindeer » 19 Feb 2018, 18:36

Thank you Lightmesser for your extensive reaction. I am pleased to hear about your findings. I also went your way.
I am not going to comment on benefits and disadvantages because they are both evidently there.
To me this system is the best compromise possible presently because:

* I don’t want to spend a lot of money on decent tubed NV that does not need additional IR or thermal NV.
* I don’t want to spoil money on a no good commercial digital add on or dedicted NV device.
* I don’t want my face exposed by the light of a glowing screen.
* I don’t want a dedicated NV but an add on that I can use on my scope when I need it.
* I don*t want any scope or add on kick my eyball out because of the recoil from my 30-06 or 8x57 rifles.

I DO want to shoot those wild boar in the middle of the night when they are turning the fields of my farmers upside down.
Please tell me if there is a better option for me.
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Re: New display

Post by CustomRifleScopesUK » 19 Feb 2018, 19:04

Very insightful lightmesser and yes it’s a little disorienting when done with a standard headset, however i made a helmet incorporating thermal and put a glass reflector in front giving you a holographic feel, whatever you looked at with your own eyes was in line with screen projection the heat would glow and you could spot a rabbit in the long grass easy, it worked very well but outside most peoples budget as the therm app alone was over 2 grand, that was 2 years ago so I didn’t know what the correct term was but now they call it AR, My video is on YouTube of it in action, I can post it on here if you like ....going a little off topic though lol, so what I am trying to say is AR doesn’t have the disoriented effect because you are still aware of your surroundings, your target is a projection on the glass in front of you overlay exact to what you also see!

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Re: New display

Post by lightmesser » 19 Feb 2018, 20:09

Yes I would like to see it Splatty.
This is display new mini display thread and new mini displays pops all the time so I guess it is OK and Sunndog won't ban us :D

Raindeer,
"don’t want to spend a lot of money on decent tubed NV that does not need additional IR". There are no such device no matter for price they'll all need IR at certain point. Thermal is expensive so yes... You are right.

Yes I think almost the same as you although I would spend money for good priced factory build(any type of course).

Yes there is always better option :)
I agree addon rules as you can carry it from rifle to rifle(even those scopes who does not have paralax adjustment, bit blurry but it will serve) that why I will make near eye mirror build addon with more than 8CM of eye relief. Main incoming 2" display(low res probably 640x240 but good enough for hunting) will be 6-7cm from scope ocular so you don't have to move scope forward,it will add just 6-7cm, screen brightness can be lowered and I can add foil or I could add protective rubber piece and of course It will have 5.8ghz tx mounted on camera just in case I want to try mine new FPV monocular in hunting situation :)

So FPV near eye build? Why not? That would also be good option for you since you like FPV stuff but maybe sometimes you would like to shoot natural way ;)

Total cost around 100 euro or bit more if I decide to add mini DVR. It should be recoil proof up to 8x57 but that will need to be tested. It all depends on that DSA I bought(although I can probably slightly modd DSA and make it more durable but I think it won't be need for that).

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Re: New display

Post by MrNewbie » 20 Feb 2018, 06:23

You know, I almost hate to even say it..........but


Go back to the very first page of this thread, look at the original post, post #1, the very first pic of this gadget.
You need to scroll thru the pics.. its there!

What do you see?
One of these pics..is some OLD dude (Dave I think), with a gun and the little screen strapped to his head via a headband (almost like a virtual FPV 1 eye headset)


It is what it is, anyone tried it yet?

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